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in 2017

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the new york times published a story

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that exposed a highly secretive pentagon

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unit

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that studied ufos it was known

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as atip the advanced aerospace threat

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identification

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program it was directed by a man

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named luis elizondo elizondo was a

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former special agent

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and senior counterintelligence officer

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for the department of defense

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after leaving the program elizondo

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helped facilitate the release

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of three videos taken by navy pilots

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of unidentified aerial objects

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which were officially released by the

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department of defense

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and acknowledged as genuine unknown

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aerial phenomena one of those cases

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elizondo investigated while in the

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pentagon and one of the videos he would

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subsequently help release

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was from an event known as the nimitz

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ufo incident

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for several days in november of 2004

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a navy missile cruiser sailing around

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100 miles off the coast of southern

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california

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detected strange radar signals emanating

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from an object in the sky

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the signals were erratic and didn't seem

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to match those given off by

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known aircraft the navy then deployed

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fighter jets to catch a closer glimpse

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and one succeeded in recording a video

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of what is now known as the tic tac ufo

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countless officers witnessed the ufo

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activity that day

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and one of those witnesses was chief

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petty officer

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and chief master at arms sean cahill

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today we speak to both luis elizondo

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and sean cahill this is somewhere in the

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spread

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welcome everyone to somewhere in the

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skies and this has been an

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interview a really long time in the

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and it even got better in the last

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couple days so i'm not going to waste

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any time we have a ton of listener

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questions i want to get to

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so right now for the first time ever two

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first-time guests to somewhere in the

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skies i have lou elizondo

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and sean cahill gentlemen thank you so

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much for joining me today

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good morning ryan hey ryan thanks a lot

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appreciate the opportunity

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um well let's not waste any time guys i

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the fact that you're in a room together

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uh that's going to be a very obvious

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question that i think a lot of listeners

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are going to want to know we will get

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there but um let's just

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let's go right into it i don't want to

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assume that all my viewers and listeners

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know who all my guests are so if each of

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you could just give like a brief rundown

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who you are what you do um luke would

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you mind starting with your military

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background and

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how you got involved with atip yeah um

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obviously had a long career with the

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united states government primarily in

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the world of national security spent a

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in uniform in the united states army and

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then was kind of pulled away and

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recruited into some special activities

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i spent a good portion of my earlier

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in latin america area of operation

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chasing drug dealers and then performing

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counter insurgency operations

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uh and then um kind of moved around a

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after 911 was focused primarily on

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counter-terrorism operations

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and uh and counter-espionage um i was a

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trained special agent uh

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counterintelligence special agent

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with a lot of great folks and a lot of

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great organizations

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and um in 2008 i was asked to be part

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based upon my counterintelligence skills

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be part of a program

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uh that at the time was very wasn't very

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well known at all

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it was called the advanced aerospace

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threat identification program

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uh which now i guess more people are

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uh in 2010 i i was responsible i took

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um let me caveat when i say took over it

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tremendous fine men and women uh working

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that program and if anybody's ever

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worked with me before they know

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i run a very flat organization um

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i was obviously the guy in charge but

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um it was really a team effort and i

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want to make sure that's clear i think a

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lot of people think that oh you know

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you sit in a big chair and you just

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direct traffic that's not that's not at

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all how this worked we were a team

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uh i resigned my position in 2017

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uh out of protest um it was a very

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difficult decision for me

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i was working for the time uh for

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secretary jim mattis

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who was in my opinion a and still is a

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uh this is an individual i had the honor

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and privilege to serve with uh in combat

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bureaucracy that wouldn't allow me to

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up to the top brass and as a result i

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i subsequently resigned in 2017 and then

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from then on i've been engaged in this

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in this effort in a in a quasi-private

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role uh as a private citizen um

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unfortunately i still have my security

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clearance so i have to be careful what i

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um obviously i can't discuss anything

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classified but

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in a nutshell there you go that's that's

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kind of who i am

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i'm also a gemini and i like long walks

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on the beach

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favorite color uh black i knew it i knew

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met and um you were both on

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obviously unidentified on the history

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channel and you guys got to go to

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guadalupe island

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but give us the precursor to all of that

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um your time in the navy and uh what you

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were involved in

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in 2004 if you don't mind sure

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as it stands right now i've been retired

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states navy i was a

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i retired as a chief master at arms um

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at the time of the tic tac incident in

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i was uh the chief master at arms of the

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that equates to being the chief law

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enforcement officer on board um an

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caveat to that was i was also standing

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watch on the bridge as a conning officer

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department head fill a hole that he had

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enforcement officer on board a ship

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um we're all pretty much familiar with

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the tic tac incident if you want to go

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uh upon meeting lou we um we hit it off

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and be beyond unidentified we've kept in

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kind of a fortune out friendship that

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uh to a little bit more than just uh

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you know i think it's important that

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when people understand you know kind of

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kind of how we got together it's not

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uncommon that people with military and

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or law enforcement experience

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um you know you tend to gravitate

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towards each other because of the common

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experiences you share

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throughout your career and right you

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uh because you know there's not a whole

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lot of people that you can talk to about

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those type of things

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so when you find them you know you have

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this instant bond almost that this this

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camaraderie

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that you share with your your brothers

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and sisters who wore a uniform whether

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white uniform it doesn't really matter

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uniforms uniform you serve you serve

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personalities yet we have the same

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mission and a lot of people

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opposite and we've always looked at that

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um because we we approach things from

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different fundamentally different

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and that's a good thing you know people

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where i'm looking at things you know

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a little bit different journey and i'll

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you know he can explain to you what his

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journey is but uh we

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we both but we're both on the same path

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if that makes sense and i think there's

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a lot of goodness in that and

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social media in the ufo twitter world

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you know we can all have different

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opinions and different perspectives and

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different approaches

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but when you put all those together you

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have a very very

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formidable force and an influential

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that is now playing out as we speak you

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see the movement we've had in the last

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three years and a lot of that is

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is due to this unified effort of this

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band we call we call ufo twitter or uap

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research you know enclave or whatever we

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but it's real and it's alive and it's

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it's breathing and it's growing and it's

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and i mean i think you're right i think

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there's an intimacy that's involved

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with um uh you know with the military

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banding together and um and here in the

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people experience the weirdest stuff

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opposites in your approaches or your

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your methods or even your belief systems

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uh how that can build a bond that like

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nothing can be broken after that i mean

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it's the same for me and a lot of

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why i got into this topic i've made some

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of the most amazing friends through this

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who uh

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will challenge you along the way and um

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even change your beliefs sometimes but

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um

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i guess since i have both of you here uh

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you did investigate uh

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the the area where the tic tac event uh

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happened and uh i i'd like to know

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besides that investigation that you two

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went on there where you were able to

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finally speak to civilians lou

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which i think is also an integral part

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of uh the

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the work you're doing now could you kind

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of

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walk us through um okay so let's take

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the tic tac

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what would an atip version of that

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investigation look like

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versus what you were able to do um after

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that

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with with sean and a lot of other people

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what would that look like from a tip to

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now

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yeah i think the a-tip approach would be

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your typical i hate to use the word

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sterile but but sterile government

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approach to something

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i've always said just the facts ma'am

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kind of guy that has always been my

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approach

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and you're only really looking at under

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title ten authorities the people that we

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could talk to were military

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personnel now what sean have i been and

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i have been able to do

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now that we are our civilians we can

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talk to a whole bunch of other quote

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unquote

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uh trained observers that are not

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military not law enforcement not

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government affiliated

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to get additional information that while

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in a tip we weren't able to do so what

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do i mean by other trained observers

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well

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sean and i had the honor and privilege

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of speaking with a lot of the local

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fishermen in the area

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and either these are individuals who

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have lived in these waters

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they're for not only their entire life

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but for generations

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and if there is an expert on on the

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ocean

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at that you know at concerning that area

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it is a local fisherman probably even

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more so than than

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dod military personnel yeah we have the

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technology

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but these folks in order to survive need

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to really read the ocean they need to

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understand and have an intimate

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relationship with the ocean

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and they know the difference between you

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we look into one and we say that's a

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shark they look in the water and say

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actually that's a six foot black tip

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versus a five foot hammerhead versus a

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an eight foot great white uh that's on a

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migration pattern of x y z

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and you know by the way they hang out

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here at this day on this

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these particular months they are experts

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in their own right

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they have to for survival they have to

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understand you know how

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how the fishing migration works and

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other other

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boats on the ocean and whatnot so when

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you get a chance to talk to these

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individuals and they're describing

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to you the same thing that are being

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described by

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by trained military personnel but

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they're describing it

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from a perspective of you know uh um

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as a fisherman as somebody who knows the

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waters

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you get another perspective that you

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don't necessarily get when you're

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talking to

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let's say uh a navy petty chief or

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someone like that it's not necessarily

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better or worse

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it's just another data point that you

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can overlay

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and uh you know you might might find

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yourself learning a thing or two

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i'll turn it over to sean because i know

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sean's got a really good perspective on

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this yeah absolutely

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of your home lou uses it as well

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i use it when i'm trying to discuss um

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the fact that this is an

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unknown and an unknown can possibly

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represent a threat

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but it's also a good metaphor for how

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how in touch we are with our

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surroundings and our environment

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many of us spend especially in the last

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year spent a lot of time within our

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homes

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um if you walk through a room in your

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home you know a few furniture is moved

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you know if things are changed even if

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pictures are slightly

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off-kilter so a lot of people don't

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necessarily understand what a trained

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observer is but

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you're a trained observer in your own

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home environment

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and these fishermen and military

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personnel live in a very dynamic

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environment home environment

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and so their ability to recall and and

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and um and and build a picture that you

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can see for an investigation is at a

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very high level

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because they are they have all of these

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vectors coming in at all times

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due to safety and other other things

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like that in your home you're the master

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you know so they're the master of these

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dynamic environments

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i agree wholeheartedly and it's been

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very helpful to have those different

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perspectives

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absolutely and i mean i'll give you a

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small example with me

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i went to investigate a case out in uh

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michigan

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over uh lake superior and you know i

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spent so much time there with the

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primary witness and trying to

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guess and theorize about what it could

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be and um

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you know his other buddy a local

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fisherman that was there was like

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well there's this ship that passes every

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day through this channel

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um maybe we should get in touch with

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them they they

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they were there during the event and

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that just that never even

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you know came into my mind oh my god

447
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yeah like let's go to the people

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who that is their home on the water so

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you know we got in touch with the ship

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they observed what the anomaly was the

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phenomena

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and uh we took it from there so i think

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you guys are right i think there's a

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um it's good to know that the work can

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continue

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after the official investigation by uh

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by the government um more on a personal

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level with you guys i i'd love to know

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if you're willing to share

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uh lou what is your family

461
00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:42,720
your friends your colleagues what do

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they think about

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what you did what you're doing now and

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same with you sean like how did that

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event

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in 2004 affect your life um with your

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whether it's friends significant others

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i love hearing the human story

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to all this so whoever wants to go first

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if you're willing to share

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i'm gonna let sean go first uh i i

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really kind of suck at giving my own

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personal perspectives

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you know sean's a lot better at it than

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i am so i'm going to hear what he has to

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say i think i know what he's going to

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say but

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i'll let him go first and maybe i'll

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have the courage to to share with you

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hyperbolic journey from the day that the

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um the new york times article came out

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and when i first saw luke walk out on

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the stage and then to see him walk down

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the pier and shake hands with him

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um to today and i feel like i'm finally

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kind of coming back to ground

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my feet are on the ground again and i'm

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down to earth with the process

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so i i have some cleanup to do over the

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last couple of years

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so you might have found me at a point

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where i might have blamed other people

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uh within my sphere um for how they felt

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or

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i've received a great deal of love and

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support um across the board

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i've received very little um negativity

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from people

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um from my my side of the family so to

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speak

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uh it's been hard for them to accept

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because it has come with uh with some

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personality changes but those are also

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inherent to me retiring from the

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military

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and um and overcoming uh and dealing

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with

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post-traumatic stress um and anxiety

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that stemmed from a career

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that might have been counter-intuitive

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to the person that i am at heart that

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was still

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important enough to me for me to do um

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you got me feeling a little emotional

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right now and i'm that guy who has no

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problem showing that

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but uh it's not easy to

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translate these experiences um into

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rational ways of expression uh

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for people who have not had experience

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in that realm

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so it's very important that i don't

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alienate anyone any further

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um i've cracked a couple of people's

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eggs with with some ideas

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and i i feel like in retrospect that was

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uh irresponsible

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to to to add a ufo event to a

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transformative

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experience of leaving the military i i

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can only imagine the layers

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that that added to everything you

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experienced sean so i

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i completely um i i respect that

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that you're willing to be so out there

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with your feelings because

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you know we we we always assume here in

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the civilian world that

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you guys are just so stoic and strategic

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and you never show emotion

541
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that's what a true soldier is but um i

542
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think it's amazing throughout

543
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these last few years as we've gotten to

544
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know the both of you

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um whether it's on television or in

546
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interviews to see that human side

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because it plays such a big role

548
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in all of this so um yeah lou is there

549
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anything you want to add to that on the

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the human side of what you're doing

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um you know for people who know me uh

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i mean look let's face it i i literally

553
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live in nowhere wyoming

554
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uh in the middle of nowhere and that's

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by choice

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um you know i often tell people it's

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uh i love humanity it's humans i don't

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particularly like

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you know i spent a career seeing really

560
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the bad side

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of of individuals and um

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it's it's been a very tough journey

563
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because at least when you're in the

564
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government you're protected by that

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00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:25,760
government apparatus but when you're

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outside

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uh you know you're you're a fair game

568
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:30,880
for anybody out there who wants to take

569
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:31,840
a shot at you

570
00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:33,520
and you know you're always trying to

571
00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:35,360
take the moral high road

572
00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:38,559
you know you you try to to

573
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:41,200
to lead by action and not words um you

574
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:42,720
know we're all human we all fail

575
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:43,760
sometimes

576
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:46,400
that's the reality of life you asked me

577
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:47,600
in the beginning what

578
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:50,240
my family thought about this and you

579
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:52,000
know i'm very blessed my family

580
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:53,600
supported me on this journey i don't

581
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:55,280
know anybody else who would have because

582
00:20:06,470 --> 00:19:55,600
i

583
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,480
crazy you know

584
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:08,000
that they'll never understand or

585
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:11,200
appreciate what you've been through

586
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:13,200
to to have to get to the point where you

587
00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:14,960
can have this conversation

588
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:16,480
um you know let's face it a lot of

589
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,159
people are armchair quarterbacks it's

590
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,000
easy to sit back in your

591
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:22,320
easy chair and get on a keyboard and

592
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:23,760
tell the world what you think about

593
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:24,480
something

594
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,080
it's another thing to put your keyboard

595
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:28,080
down stand up get your ass off the couch

596
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:31,039
and actually do something about it

597
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:33,120
and you know risk everything your

598
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,640
everything that you've ever worked for

599
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:36,320
your credibility your reputation your

600
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:39,679
retirement your clearance i mean it's

601
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:41,840
i i'm not saying there's other people

602
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:42,799
that wouldn't do it because a lot of

603
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:44,159
people did do it just like sean and

604
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:44,640
others

605
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:47,600
so uh i just would tell people upfront

606
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:48,080
that

607
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:51,120
you know if you if you think it's easy

608
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,159
it's it's it's it's not easy there's a

609
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:55,919
lot of things i would recommend you get

610
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:57,919
involved with that are a lot easier than

611
00:21:02,549 --> 00:20:58,960
this

612
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:02,559
um i guess that'd be my perspective

613
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:04,799
yeah well i mean you know coming from

614
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:07,039
experience too and no i'm not military

615
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:07,520
but

616
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:10,480
um as a quote unquote journalist i was

617
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:11,840
told for years like

618
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:13,600
don't do this man like what are you what

619
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:15,520
are you doing like you're gonna totally

620
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:16,720
ruin it

621
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:19,120
right right and i think what's changed

622
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,400
and it's because

623
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:22,559
of the work that you two are doing uh

624
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:23,760
you have

625
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:25,919
vindicated so much for us out there that

626
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,000
have been screaming from the rooftops

627
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:30,480
for years like something's going on like

628
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:31,600
and i'm not saying

629
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:33,280
it's one thing or the other alien

630
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:35,600
interdimensional time travels whatever

631
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:37,039
like that's a journey we're going to be

632
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:38,720
taking probably for the rest of

633
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:41,200
our lives of trying to uncover that but

634
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:42,080
um

635
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:45,520
i mean for sean what you did for so many

636
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:47,919
military people um to empower them to

637
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:48,880
come forward

638
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:51,280
i remember when your show aired i had a

639
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:52,799
navy servicemen reach out

640
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:57,760
who had five uh triangular ufo

641
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,880
sightings over a naval air station and

642
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:03,120
he never reported it because the first

643
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:03,919
time he tried

644
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:06,640
he was told stop drinking and uh dude i

645
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:07,039
mean

646
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,799
that was it for me the minute that guy

647
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,240
came to me and was like

648
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:12,640
this happened um you're the first person

649
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:13,520
i'm telling

650
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,480
like you've already made a difference so

651
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:18,640
i have to commend you guys on that

652
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:22,080
it's very humbling um i left out

653
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:23,600
something that's that's very easy

654
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,120
to overlook because they're so close to

655
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,440
me um my wife and my children

656
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:29,679
uh have always been they've lifted me up

657
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:30,799
they've supported me

658
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,760
uh they support me right now and uh that

659
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:35,520
made it easy for me so i don't want to

660
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:36,720
go off over that

661
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:41,120
um i really appreciate uh that sentiment

662
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,720
um it's not easy it wasn't easy then

663
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,720
um i've been called crazy by people i

664
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:48,080
love um

665
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:49,360
just for having been witness to

666
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:51,120
something um

667
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:54,320
so if if what we're doing and the risks

668
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,440
that we're willing to take

669
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:57,120
are able to help other people heal and

670
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,559
other people to come forward then that

671
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:00,080
means everything to me

672
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,360
um being able to communicate your

673
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:05,520
your emotions and your feelings in a

674
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:07,280
manner that doesn't have to hurt someone

675
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:08,080
else

676
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,840
leads to a reduction of harm and a

677
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:11,600
reduction of stress and a reduction of

678
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:12,559
trauma

679
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:15,840
brought to this subject

680
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,840
we've had we've had enough muddy waters

681
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:20,080
we've had enough explosive egos

682
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:23,039
and and long-term um pardon me with

683
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:24,240
histrionics

684
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:27,280
that that need to be put to bed

685
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,720
we need more integrity um and i intend

686
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:32,559
to help provide that if i'm able and i

687
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,000
know luis does

688
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:36,559
um he's he's not going to promote

689
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,280
himself

690
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,880
so i'll tell you right now that he's

691
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:40,720
he's a team member what do you want to

692
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:41,120
say

693
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:45,679
don't listen to him he is a team member

694
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:47,919
he believes in the pack he believes in

695
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:49,039
the team

696
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:52,159
um he refuses to let me even put him one

697
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,080
inch higher than myself

698
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,240
uh on any kind of pedestal he won't even

699
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:58,080
let me lay a carpet down in front of him

700
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,880
to kind of step

701
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:00,880
up on because the guy is so team

702
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:03,679
oriented so he he's an empowering force

703
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:04,559
in this community

704
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:07,600
and um i want to introduce him to people

705
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,679
i want to introduce lewd people so i

706
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:11,039
look at it this way this is a team

707
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,799
effort and the only reason why we are

708
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,720
able to collectively succeed is because

709
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,400
we're all doing this together

710
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:18,240
we all have a role it's like a tool bag

711
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,600
right you don't use a hammer

712
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,520
if you need a screwdriver and you don't

713
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:23,840
use a screwdriver to do a hammer's job

714
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,600
you know we all have a role in this we

715
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:27,440
all have our our

716
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:30,480
our strengths and our weaknesses and we

717
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:31,200
need

718
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:34,400
everybody um

719
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:36,559
that includes everybody out there your

720
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,919
audience that's listening to this that

721
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,120
includes you

722
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:41,200
uh because this is a topic that involves

723
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:42,640
all of us and

724
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:46,240
no one owns the narrative no one uh has

725
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,640
the answer and i think that's been a

726
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:50,080
challenge we've been faced with for the

727
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:50,559
last

728
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,919
well decades in fact because people have

729
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,760
have sold themselves out they started on

730
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:57,360
a journey very nobly

731
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:00,799
and then wound up getting caught up uh

732
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:05,360
with the i guess the the notion of fame

733
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:08,400
or importance or status or stature

734
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,600
and they wind up they wind up selling

735
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:13,279
themselves out they wind up selling you

736
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:15,039
out it went up selling your audience out

737
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:15,679
because

738
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:17,360
they go down this preconceived notion

739
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:18,799
this narrative and begin to

740
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:21,200
realize hey i can make a buck off this

741
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,320
and you know i

742
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,559
i think that's that's dangerous now do i

743
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,080
necessarily blame them

744
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,559
you know it happens to a lot of people

745
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:30,240
quite human trade yeah it's a human

746
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,120
trait you know

747
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,679
absolute power corrupts absolutely so

748
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:34,799
it's important

749
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,840
for for me to make sure

750
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:39,760
everyone knows they're on the journey

751
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,840
with us we're all on the boat together

752
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:43,679
and we all have an ore that which

753
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:47,039
for which we can row and uh you know i

754
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,559
might be wearing a bright purple jacket

755
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,320
while i'm doing it but i'm still rowing

756
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,480
the boat like everybody else that's all

757
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,960
uh and everybody is it has just as much

758
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:56,640
important role to play as myself

759
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:59,600
and sean and you and everybody and i

760
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:00,159
think it's

761
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,360
it's um i think that for me is is

762
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,279
is why we've succeeded you know a lot of

763
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:06,960
people you look say well ufo twitter

764
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:07,840
really doesn't do much

765
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:10,000
actually well they write congress

766
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:10,960
actually they

767
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:12,559
email the people in the media in the

768
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,679
press saying it's okay to have this

769
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,720
conversation

770
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,400
uh what people don't realize what

771
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:18,240
composes this this this

772
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:21,279
this motley crew we call ufo twitter

773
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,960
you know it's very formidable you have

774
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,559
very powerful business

775
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,799
people that are involved in this this

776
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,799
little enclave you have very senior

777
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:30,480
government officials that are

778
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:33,039
hiding their their their identities

779
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,159
under pseudos

780
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:36,320
but make no mistake they're reading this

781
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:37,760
every day because they're trying to get

782
00:27:07,190 --> 00:26:38,000
a

783
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:07,200
english it's not just people here in

784
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:08,159
america you have

785
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,440
everybody from around the world and

786
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,000
ireland the uk and italy and japan and

787
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:14,159
india and everywhere the whole world

788
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:17,600
is part of this and to me um

789
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,600
look i've made a living off of working

790
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:21,600
with with with a teams with winning

791
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,080
teams

792
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,120
um and i said in the very beginning the

793
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,440
the your success or failure is dependent

794
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:29,120
upon you being able to have a winning

795
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:30,559
team

796
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:33,919
that's exactly what we've got on our

797
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:37,360
hands and it's making a big difference

798
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,760
right well hey i think you either just

799
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:41,919
lou and sean you just boosted a lot of

800
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:42,720
egos

801
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:45,120
or uh you got a lot of people paranoid

802
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:46,080
either one

803
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:49,039
i think based on interacting with these

804
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:50,640
folks a lot i think we just empowered a

805
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,600
lot of hearts

806
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,679
because i'm absolutely cool that's a

807
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,679
really good one one of those folks

808
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,360
these things people we're dealing with

809
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,200
have integrity our community

810
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,679
you know they want they're not looking

811
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:03,600
they're not looking to go back where we

812
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:04,320
were

813
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,840
they're looking to go ahead to where we

814
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:07,440
want to be together

815
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,919
right absolutely um i couldn't agree

816
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,840
more well you did mention teamwork

817
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:14,159
um i have never received this many

818
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,039
listener

819
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:17,279
questions um as when i announced that

820
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,559
lou you are going to be on

821
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:20,960
and sean so um i'd love to run through

822
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:22,399
some of these with you guys if you don't

823
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,120
mind

824
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,960
um you know and this comes from a

825
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,799
community of very guarded people who

826
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:27,840
have been

827
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,559
um you know had their hearts broken so

828
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:31,840
many times in this

829
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:34,559
field for so long so um some of these

830
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:35,919
might be a lot more uh

831
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:38,640
a brutal than my my forgiving approach

832
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,000
to interviews so

833
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,559
lou you said ask me anything brother so

834
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:44,720
let's let's just go down the list here

835
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,320
um rob on twitter asked lou did you

836
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,640
leave ttsa on good terms and do you

837
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,159
still believe in their mission

838
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,399
and uh do you plan on still

839
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:56,320
collaborating with these guys what can

840
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:57,200
you tell us

841
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,559
in that sector of all this ttsa

842
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,159
and i remain really good friends you've

843
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,840
got some incredible people there but

844
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:05,679
let's not forget you know how put off

845
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:06,320
and

846
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:10,399
folks really helped the conversation

847
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:13,600
start um and they they really

848
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:15,760
they they i believe they have their

849
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:16,720
hearts in the right

850
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,480
place but you know my my expertise

851
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,480
um i've never been an entertainment guy

852
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,159
i i believe in what we call

853
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:26,799
infotainment which is if you can provide

854
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:27,440
information

855
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:29,600
in an entertaining way but it's factual

856
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:30,640
i'm great with that

857
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,960
and i'd like to be to be helpful in that

858
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,840
endeavor

859
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:36,080
but pure entertainment which by the way

860
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,760
brings a lot of good revenue to

861
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:39,440
companies right let's make let's let's

862
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:40,000
let's face

863
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:41,600
it you know if you you've got a bunch of

864
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,039
investors and you owe them

865
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,440
a return on investment you have to find

866
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:47,600
those business practices that return

867
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:50,159
you know money back to back to the

868
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:51,279
investors

869
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:53,600
and entertainment is one of those areas

870
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,559
where you can make

871
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,559
a pretty sizable profit if you do it

872
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:58,559
right and so

873
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:02,000
without speaking for ttsa ttsa has never

874
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:04,000
made it a secret that they are focusing

875
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:05,520
on the entertainment you can look at

876
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,159
their

877
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,600
that you know they're they're they're

878
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:11,440
heavy in that area and that's not a bad

879
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,880
thing because it helps socialize a

880
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,159
conversation

881
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,720
that's just not my area of expertise my

882
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,399
my contributions

883
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:20,159
you know allow me i think we've we've

884
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:21,600
accomplished our goal like we did with

885
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,000
history

886
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:24,960
channel that that the decision not to to

887
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:25,919
continue with this

888
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:28,399
with the history channel uh was a joint

889
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,360
decision by

890
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:31,600
all of us uh we weren't canceled you

891
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:32,640
know a lot of people think oh you guys

892
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:34,159
were cancelled actually we were

893
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,600
you know the show actually did pretty

894
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,360
well um

895
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:39,440
but uh you know we we had accomplished

896
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,559
our goal with

897
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:42,720
that with that av with that particular

898
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,679
venue

899
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:45,760
and the same thing with ttsa look you

900
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:47,679
know the battlefield is constantly

901
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:48,880
evolving

902
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,200
and you constantly have to lift and

903
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,000
shift your assets on the battlefield

904
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:57,039
in order to achieve the mission and a

905
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,480
battlefield is never static

906
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:01,120
it's always a dynamic situation and you

907
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,039
have to be able to react

908
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,279
to to the battle space i mean this is

909
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,200
this is the world i come from this is

910
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:08,640
it's like any other military or

911
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:10,240
intelligence campaign and

912
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:11,679
of course people are going to read it

913
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:14,240
actually i told you it's a campaign

914
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,600
please don't don't read too much what

915
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,440
i'm saying what i'm saying is that this

916
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:19,200
has to be a well choreographed

917
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,399
well coordinated effort and if you

918
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,559
rest you get too comfortable sitting on

919
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:25,919
your laurels

920
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,840
then you you

921
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:32,159
you may fail in the mission and and i

922
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:33,279
don't ever want to

923
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:34,720
to fail in this mission it's too

924
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,000
important so i've decided to take

925
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:40,080
some of my i still talk to those guys i

926
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:41,840
love i love my friends at ttsa

927
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:44,080
we actually talk all the time and i

928
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:45,440
still help them out of course i will i

929
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:46,399
love these guys

930
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,840
and and gals that are in the

931
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:49,519
organization um

932
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,880
and i think they they're going to do a

933
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:52,320
lot of good i think they can do a layout

934
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:52,799
they have

935
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:55,200
a lot of good and they will do a lot of

936
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:55,919
good

937
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,240
um but i think my skill sets are just

938
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,240
better used in a different capacity

939
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:03,360
and you know you you have to

940
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:06,159
sometimes you have to divide to conquer

941
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:07,360
if that makes sense

942
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,440
and you have to take different teams on

943
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:10,799
the battlefield

944
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:13,279
and and put them in different places to

945
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,080
to

946
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:16,240
apply pressure in the right areas you

947
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,519
can't just you know what like the

948
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:19,279
british learned a long time ago

949
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,760
you can't just march your entire army in

950
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,200
rank and file

951
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,279
and you know expect to win a battle

952
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:27,440
battle battle has evolved over over the

953
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,200
decades and and centuries so you have to

954
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:32,880
evolve your tactics

955
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,399
um and and and

956
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:38,159
develop new strategies as the

957
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:39,679
battlefield is evolving if that makes

958
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,320
sense right

959
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,799
and you spike the ball i mean you and

960
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,960
chris mellon went in guns blazing and

961
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,840
just look at

962
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,919
what was accomplished in the past few

963
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:49,360
years from a government

964
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:52,399
uh side of all this and of course like

965
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:55,360
tom was extremely transparent from the

966
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:56,159
start that

967
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,600
a huge part of this is going to be

968
00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:00,000
entertainment so we get that like that's

969
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:01,679
that's still long i mean i've been a fan

970
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:04,080
of his since i was a kid so i understand

971
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,200
that you know what

972
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:07,840
and and that equation works uh but you

973
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,399
know again

974
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:10,880
you can't expect a hammer to do a

975
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,880
screwdriver's job and vice versa we're

976
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,240
all a tool in this

977
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,720
and and tom is a very specific tool just

978
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:18,320
like i am just like sean is just like

979
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:19,840
you are everybody else

980
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,960
to get the job accomplished so um you

981
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:24,559
know that that would be my

982
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:27,279
my perspective anyways well um i'm glad

983
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:27,600
you

984
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,880
of people want to know like

985
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:33,120
the drama behind all of it but hey

986
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,399
business is business

987
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,960
and strategy is strategy so um i have

988
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:38,480
faith that you're all making these

989
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,440
decisions

990
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:42,320
for a reason to progress this this issue

991
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,120
in this topic

992
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:45,039
i'm not a drama guy ryan i got to tell

993
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,120
you anybody

994
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,279
we're not drama people uh you know we're

995
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:51,200
mission focused people um i don't have

996
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,559
time for drama

997
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,240
um if that's what people are interested

998
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:56,559
in then you know they can go tune into

999
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:59,120
into something else but i'm not about

1000
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,679
about

1001
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,760
artificial drama manufacture drama we've

1002
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:03,840
got enough challenges on our hands

1003
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:06,159
to have to to involve ourselves in that

1004
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:07,440
that he said she said

1005
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:09,760
stuff absolutely brother no time for it

1006
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,560
well um

1007
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,159
let's talk about something a little

1008
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:13,839
dramatic and uh

1009
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,800
a lot of people want to know this what

1010
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:19,440
are your guys thoughts on the entire bob

1011
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,079
lazar

1012
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,399
affair um i didn't think this would come

1013
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:23,760
up but it is

1014
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,839
um there seems to be a huge disconnect

1015
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,280
between what

1016
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:29,679
this individual has claimed in the past

1017
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:30,800
and what atip

1018
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:33,440
is looking at and there's such a gray

1019
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:34,879
area in between

1020
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,280
if the government is looking at flare

1021
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:39,440
videos of a blurry ufo

1022
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,040
and then you have a guy claiming he's

1023
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,359
worked on reverse engineered

1024
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:45,839
technology from extraterrestrials like

1025
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:47,200
where do these things meet

1026
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:50,000
so yeah whoever wants to comment on that

1027
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:51,119
that's a good question

1028
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,960
um i think it's an opportunity for us to

1029
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:54,879
really examine what we expect

1030
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,280
um to to to data mine from history

1031
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:01,440
and what we can really triangulate

1032
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,320
together

1033
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:04,800
um i don't know bob and i i don't know

1034
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,320
the the folks that work with him

1035
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,240
and i don't mean to be silly when i say

1036
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:10,800
i don't know what happened for bob

1037
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:13,200
um i've always found him to be a very

1038
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,560
cogent intelligent

1039
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,400
individual he tells an incredibly

1040
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,000
interesting story

1041
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:19,920
that um involves a lot of things that i

1042
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:22,240
just don't have any experience or enough

1043
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:24,000
evidence to bring to bear to it so for

1044
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:26,800
me it's an anecdotal experience

1045
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,160
um and that has value but

1046
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,400
i can't make the doughnuts with that

1047
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,880
it's just no offense to mr lazar but it

1048
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,320
is a story without

1049
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:38,800
a triangulation of evidentiary value for

1050
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:39,760
me

1051
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:43,119
uh anything to add to that lou uh

1052
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,200
no ditto i i don't know mr lazar from

1053
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,040
anybody else um

1054
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:49,200
i know tangentially his story but really

1055
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:51,040
in a tip it didn't we weren't concerned

1056
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:52,160
with it because it

1057
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,920
there's nothing we could do with it um

1058
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,160
you know we we were focused on the here

1059
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:58,400
and now what is it what is it impacting

1060
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,119
our our military operational areas and

1061
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:03,599
our equities and our assets in real time

1062
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:06,240
um you know people already say well why

1063
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:07,599
don't how can you not look at the past

1064
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:08,560
information

1065
00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:10,000
and i've said this before and i know it

1066
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,920
irritates people but you know in a court

1067
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:13,280
of law that doesn't matter because if

1068
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,800
you don't have

1069
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:17,040
the the quantifiable and qualifiable

1070
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,640
data to back it up

1071
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,560
then it's useless it's just that it's an

1072
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:22,160
anecdote and and

1073
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:23,599
it's not overly helpful when you're

1074
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:25,440
trying to get senior decision makers in

1075
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,720
the department of defense and the

1076
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:28,079
intelligence community

1077
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:30,160
to commit resources authorities and

1078
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,200
assets

1079
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:33,280
to to do something you know i can't just

1080
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,880
say yeah

1081
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:36,640
because he said it that it's just like

1082
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:38,320
me when i came out and people were like

1083
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:39,119
well who the heck

1084
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:40,800
is this guy you know he's got no

1085
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,040
evidence well you have to bring evidence

1086
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:45,119
you have to you have to you have to show

1087
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,240
the evidence

1088
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:48,160
and in this particular case you know i

1089
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:49,359
i've never seen

1090
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,160
any evidence but truth be told um you

1091
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:54,240
know in the government

1092
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:56,560
we were very very focused on the here

1093
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:57,599
and now

1094
00:37:00,870 --> 00:37:00,160
so i don't want to disparage anybody i

1095
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,880
really don't

1096
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:03,040
have an opinion people say oh is it good

1097
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:03,920
is it bad

1098
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:04,880
i don't have any because i don't have

1099
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,599
any information i i

1100
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:09,680
to me it's it's no different than

1101
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:11,040
someone off the street coming up and

1102
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:11,599
saying

1103
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,680
hey lou uh i saw something interesting

1104
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,079
yesterday i'll listen

1105
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,480
i could riff off ten ten ideas for you

1106
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,839
but i'm not gonna do that

1107
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,440
the reason that i'm not gonna is because

1108
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:23,839
my my imagination based around

1109
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,960
the mr lazar's story that

1110
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,960
if i were to do that that would inform

1111
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:30,079
people who are who

1112
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,599
who don't move their chest and checker

1113
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,440
pieces too much farther forward and want

1114
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:35,200
other people to give them answers and i

1115
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:36,000
don't have answers

1116
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,680
for i don't have other people's answers

1117
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:39,359
for them i agree with that i

1118
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:42,400
agree with shawna wholeheartedly well

1119
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:45,760
here sarah on twitter asks uh we keep

1120
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:47,200
hearing that the general public will

1121
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,880
have a hard time accepting

1122
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,280
or understanding the phenomenon if when

1123
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,280
disclosure happens so

1124
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:55,839
from both of your point of views uh what

1125
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,680
are some particular examples of what

1126
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,119
might upset the public

1127
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:01,040
and why do officials seem to get worried

1128
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:02,960
about it

1129
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,240
i think that's another one of those

1130
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,480
areas that we have to be very careful in

1131
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:08,960
um if i were to if i were to lay out

1132
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:11,119
everything that i thought could go wrong

1133
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,720
how many people would be focused on what

1134
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:14,560
could go right um

1135
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,680
we've seen i'll i will i will i won't

1136
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:19,520
completely avoid avoid some of the big

1137
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:20,400
examples

1138
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,760
there are people who are concerned about

1139
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:23,040
their worldview when it comes to their

1140
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:24,000
religion

1141
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:26,079
their personal moral view their

1142
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,240
worldview of history in the past

1143
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,400
those things are things that we need the

1144
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,880
8 billion perspectives of to come up

1145
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:34,320
with the proper

1146
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,280
uh reading of this it's it's not up to

1147
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,680
me or any other individual or group

1148
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:42,240
to define these things whatever we're

1149
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,160
experiencing together is quite elusive

1150
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,480
um as a whole this is something that

1151
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:48,240
requires more eyes

1152
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:51,359
more study and um as

1153
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,800
as we get closer possibly to to having

1154
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:57,119
more consensus together then i think

1155
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,079
that we can

1156
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,480
we can start coming to some conclusions

1157
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,160
together but right now there are so many

1158
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,200
rifts not not only within the data but

1159
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:06,960
within the communities of who's willing

1160
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:08,960
to speak to whom who's willing to accept

1161
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:10,240
data from whom

1162
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:13,280
um there are folks that lockheed uh

1163
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:15,760
that lock me and lou out of their world

1164
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:16,560
view

1165
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:23,599
they believe we represent a system

1166
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:26,000
that to them has done them wrong right

1167
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:27,920
and so therefore they demonize us

1168
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:30,320
immediately and we can't work together

1169
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,119
anymore

1170
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,359
and we have data that i think they

1171
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:35,839
desire probably or or observations and

1172
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:38,240
we desire their observations and data so

1173
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:40,160
that we can come to a proper conclusion

1174
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,920
not a compartmentalized or partisan

1175
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,000
i i think you know i'll echo what sean

1176
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:48,160
said and i'll also add that

1177
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:50,079
you can take any issue du jour right

1178
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,599
let's take covet for example

1179
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,839
and this this horrible global pandemic

1180
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:55,200
we're dealing with

1181
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,520
and this is a very serious topic and

1182
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,200
even that topic

1183
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:01,520
often polarizes people it doesn't unite

1184
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:02,400
people right

1185
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:05,760
and so um we have to be very cautious

1186
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:07,839
if there's anything that i think we i

1187
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,440
think we're seeing it where we

1188
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,880
people say is there any information that

1189
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:12,640
that that can scare people or

1190
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:15,839
cause a divide well yes but it can also

1191
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,480
unite

1192
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:18,480
and we're seeing that we have to be very

1193
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,839
careful because

1194
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,520
you know we're not trying to weave

1195
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:23,599
necessarily a threat narrative

1196
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,800
but i i also don't want to you know

1197
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:29,280
weave a narrative of of a false sense of

1198
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:30,319
security

1199
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,079
i think that's equally as dangerous and

1200
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:34,720
i think we have to be very careful

1201
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:37,520
how we collect and how we preserve and

1202
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:39,520
how we present the facts or the evidence

1203
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:40,960
in this case

1204
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,000
and um you know i

1205
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,079
any time you have a conversation whether

1206
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:47,920
it's about religion politics or anything

1207
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,319
else

1208
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:50,000
you know you're going to get some

1209
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:51,520
division uh

1210
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:54,960
and this topic is certainly very very

1211
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,839
very

1212
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,680
personally and politically charged it

1213
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,160
depends on where you sit on the fence

1214
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,000
and and depends on you know whose team

1215
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,000
you're going to be on and for me i

1216
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,560
i reject the entire notion of teams i i

1217
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:08,000
i think it's ridiculous

1218
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,599
you know i think i think we should all

1219
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:11,440
i'll be working together for the truth

1220
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,800
one team it's not an inescapable idea

1221
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,640
to have one team if we're honest with

1222
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,400
each other right yeah

1223
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,800
absolutely i mean again that's why i'm

1224
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,040
into this topic of ufos because it

1225
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:25,839
you can literally relate it to anything

1226
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,160
religion politics economy

1227
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,160
psychology soft science hard science

1228
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:32,560
what have you like this topic this issue

1229
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:33,520
that you two

1230
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:36,880
have decided to pursue um could change

1231
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:37,599
everything

1232
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:40,400
and i i honestly believe that will

1233
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:41,520
happen someday

1234
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:44,000
when i don't know let me offer this up

1235
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:45,040
because people keep saying when are we

1236
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:46,640
gonna have disclosure

1237
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:49,839
yes please this year you just had

1238
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,200
the department of defense say

1239
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,160
that you a piece unidentified aerial

1240
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:58,720
phenomenon not unidentified drones not

1241
00:42:03,190 --> 00:41:59,440
identified

1242
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:03,200
aircraft phenomenon okay are real

1243
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,480
and that we're videoing them to the

1244
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:06,319
point where we have established

1245
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:09,119
under the deputy secretary of defense an

1246
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:10,000
official

1247
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:13,119
and formal uap not uas

1248
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,400
uap task force

1249
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,720
if if you don't want a bigger indicator

1250
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:20,319
that the government is finally willing

1251
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:21,839
to play in this sphere

1252
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,359
in this in this in this this arena

1253
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:27,040
i don't know how to get through to you i

1254
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,720
i can't there's nothing i can do that

1255
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,000
convince people i would say look

1256
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,680
you you're living through disclosure now

1257
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:33,280
it's happening don't you're not waiting

1258
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:34,400
you keep waiting for this

1259
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,680
magic trip wire to occur look back and

1260
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,359
it's already happened it just happened

1261
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:41,119
and it's continuing to occur i talked to

1262
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,560
a lot of people who who

1263
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:45,040
after hearing something similar to that

1264
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,880
want to jump up and down and say

1265
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:48,400
what about this incident what about that

1266
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:51,200
incident etc so i i'd be happy to sit

1267
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,400
here and say

1268
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:55,119
well i'm not a government spokesperson

1269
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,640
but i'd be happy to say we've been

1270
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:58,800
investigating this for 70 years on and

1271
00:43:02,950 --> 00:42:59,520
off

1272
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,960
and that fact isn't a fact to the known

1273
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:03,920
public it's

1274
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:07,040
not an understood fact that

1275
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,640
for all intents and purposes the

1276
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,040
investigation has never ended

1277
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,920
did not end and is ongoing right now i'm

1278
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,599
not a spokesperson for that

1279
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,079
but that's as obvious to me as as my own

1280
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,160
hand in front of my face

1281
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:22,960
and so once we start getting those data

1282
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:23,440
points

1283
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:26,960
out as knowns to the majority of people

1284
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:29,440
the stigma is just going to melt away

1285
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:30,800
that that holy s

1286
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:33,119
moment that some of us have is is

1287
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,640
powerful and it's long

1288
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:36,800
lasting too so we need to be careful of

1289
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:37,839
that

1290
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,319
people who have thought this might be

1291
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:42,160
real for their entire lives once

1292
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:43,440
confronted with the

1293
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:46,880
fact that this is real period

1294
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,400
full stop it's it's a very sobering

1295
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:52,240
experience that has a lot of

1296
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,839
tangential uh consequences yeah

1297
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,359
absolutely i think we have to keep in

1298
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:59,520
mind like the public at large

1299
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:02,400
doesn't read ufo books every day they're

1300
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:02,800
not

1301
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:06,240
going to ufo websites uh so even the

1302
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,359
small thing

1303
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,440
of a new york times article saying

1304
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:10,800
off-world vehicle

1305
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:13,359
is gonna like blow people's minds

1306
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,800
whereas someone like me is like

1307
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,240
yeah man they've been doing it for 70

1308
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,560
plus years you know um well let's

1309
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:20,560
you mentioned the uap task force lou i

1310
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:22,319
would love um if

1311
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,319
you could share anything with us are you

1312
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:28,880
involved are they talking to you i mean

1313
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,640
you worked for the pentagon

1314
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,880
and um i understand you left for a

1315
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:34,000
certain reason

1316
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,920
and i completely understand your reason

1317
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,440
for that but look

1318
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:39,280
it's circling back now it seems like

1319
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,920
they they want to get involved so

1320
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,319
are they using your five observables are

1321
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:46,319
they reaching out to you these

1322
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,640
these leaked reports that we saw what

1323
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,720
are your thoughts on all of that

1324
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,640
yeah give us your thoughts on uap task

1325
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,400
force if you don't mind

1326
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,640
uh they are some of the finest human

1327
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:58,079
beings um

1328
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:01,520
i've ever i've ever had the privilege to

1329
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:01,920
know

1330
00:45:05,390 --> 00:45:04,400
um i i can't speak on behalf of the task

1331
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:05,400
force

1332
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,760
um and uh frankly any relationship i may

1333
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:11,119
or may not have

1334
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,240
um at this point i'm going to to um

1335
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:16,319
keep personal you know a lot of people

1336
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,760
in this arena like to tout their

1337
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,599
connections because it gives them some

1338
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:21,839
sort of stature or status

1339
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:24,480
within the community i'm not that guy i

1340
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,839
frankly see my language i don't give a

1341
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:27,440
[\h__\h] what do you think about me

1342
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:29,119
um although i would never would have

1343
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:30,480
done this job if

1344
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:33,920
if if i did um you know i knew the heat

1345
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:36,160
and flak i'd be taking

1346
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:37,200
you know from an intelligence

1347
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:38,480
perspective you always want to do things

1348
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,880
in a coordinated manner

1349
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,560
i'm not a kiss and tell kind of guy i'm

1350
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,720
not going to talk about who i know and

1351
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:46,560
what my contacts are

1352
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,839
uh the the ufo community

1353
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:51,520
is chock full of people like that

1354
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:53,599
frankly most of them are liars

1355
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:56,000
so i have no interest in that i think i

1356
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:57,040
think

1357
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,240
if you want to know what kind of person

1358
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:00,720
i am look for the deeds

1359
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,520
and and less my my words watch watch the

1360
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:04,880
watch my actions

1361
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:07,280
uh you know and if i disappoint you then

1362
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:08,480
okay then then

1363
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:11,599
you know i'm sorry um but

1364
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:14,560
uh i'm gonna politely sidestep that

1365
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:15,520
question because

1366
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,800
um you know i i think there's enough

1367
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:20,880
people out there

1368
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:23,119
know what i'm trying to do who i'm

1369
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:24,000
working with

1370
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:27,040
who i'm talking to i

1371
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:29,119
i i don't need to i don't need to to

1372
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:30,480
reveal any of

1373
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:33,920
my of my uh contacts uh

1374
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:36,240
and who they who they may be i i

1375
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:36,960
understand

1376
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:39,440
this is a long game i think people have

1377
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,319
to understand

1378
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:43,119
uh disclosure in any form big or small

1379
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:44,319
is a process

1380
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,680
and there's a reason you know that you

1381
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,520
you do that and i i completely

1382
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:51,280
understand that um

1383
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:54,400
well sort of playing off of that lou i

1384
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:55,440
have to ask

1385
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,119
um this is another big one if you're

1386
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:59,359
willing to say anything on it

1387
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:02,000
in an interview you were asked if there

1388
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:03,200
was debris

1389
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:06,640
in the possession of the us military or

1390
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:07,680
government

1391
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:11,200
and um your answer you think the u.s

1392
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,720
government has debris from a ufo

1393
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:16,000
in its possession right now

1394
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,920
unfortunately tucker i really have to be

1395
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:20,160
careful of my nda i really can't go into

1396
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:21,680
a lot of more detail in that

1397
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:25,359
okay but uh simply put yes

1398
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:26,880
so is there anything you're willing to

1399
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,640
share in terms of are we talking

1400
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,960
fragments is this something kratta is

1401
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:32,640
doing are we talking like an

1402
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:35,359
intact craft i know that's a big loaded

1403
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:36,319
question but

1404
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:38,079
is there anything you can clarify online

1405
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:39,680
i'm going to have to politely

1406
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,480
um just uh i i will restate for the

1407
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:44,160
record what i said that

1408
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:47,920
uh it is my uh my belief

1409
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:51,680
that uh we the united states government

1410
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:52,640
uh

1411
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:59,040
material and i'll leave it at that um i

1412
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:01,359
i will not elaborate on that

1413
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:03,440
um i don't want to do anything to to

1414
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:04,800
compromise uh

1415
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:07,119
any existing efforts if those efforts

1416
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,559
are ongoing

1417
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,040
um you know i i've said before we need

1418
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,839
to give people a lot of space right now

1419
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,839
the u.s government is coming to grips

1420
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:16,880
with this

1421
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:19,440
they have been been cooperating in the

1422
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,079
disclosure

1423
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:22,319
process i think a lot more than anybody

1424
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:23,599
would have expected in just

1425
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,599
three years and i think we need to have

1426
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:27,119
patience with that you know i don't

1427
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:28,400
think we need to kick him in the teeth

1428
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,520
right now i think we

1429
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:31,440
i think we need to put a hand out and a

1430
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,880
hand on her shoulder and give him a pat

1431
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:34,240
on the back and say hey

1432
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:37,280
you know good job i know it's tough

1433
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:40,160
um you know but we we appreciate what

1434
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:41,119
you're doing

1435
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:43,200
uh it took a lot of courage for people

1436
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,319
in the senate

1437
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:47,200
and congress folks and senior executives

1438
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:48,160
in the executive

1439
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:51,280
department to all admit that this is

1440
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,160
real

1441
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:54,640
and to further more be proactive and try

1442
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:57,040
to figure something out and even more

1443
00:49:00,790 --> 00:49:00,079
how to report to congress in 180 days i

1444
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,800
mean yeah

1445
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:02,319
do you think the world is watching of

1446
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:07,270
we got to give them some space man let's

1447
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:08,720
let's give them some room to breathe

1448
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:09,680
let's let's stop

1449
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:12,400
swarming them and say okay look you know

1450
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:13,200
uh

1451
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,960
we know you've got to do something and

1452
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,720
and we're going to back off a little bit

1453
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:17,920
and let you

1454
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:20,079
give you time to try to figure this out

1455
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:21,359
that's that's

1456
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:23,839
that's my perspective let's move back to

1457
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,720
uh

1458
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:27,200
um to catalina for a second if you guys

1459
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:28,160
don't mind

1460
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,079
um uh gabby from tijuana asks uh

1461
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,640
was there ever any contact with mexican

1462
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:36,400
government officials regarding

1463
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,040
the nimitz incident as a baja resident i

1464
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:41,119
can say that this area is known as a hot

1465
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:42,319
spot of sorts

1466
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:44,079
and uh to your knowledge has the mexican

1467
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:45,440
government collaborated

1468
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:48,640
in any way regarding this specific event

1469
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:51,760
anything you guys can share on that

1470
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,480
um so when sean and i went down there we

1471
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:56,480
actually went a few times down to mexico

1472
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:57,920
and unfortunately the tv show you just

1473
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:59,680
see kind of like the one time but

1474
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,760
but uh we were down there a few times so

1475
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:03,119
we did some reconnaissance and we talked

1476
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,960
to some people and we talked to

1477
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:07,440
all sorts of people from from you know

1478
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,079
fishermen

1479
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,800
and private citizens to uh law

1480
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:12,640
enforcement and uh governmental

1481
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,599
personnel

1482
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:15,359
um sometimes the people in the

1483
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:16,720
government don't necessarily want to be

1484
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,640
on camera for obvious reasons right

1485
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,800
uh sometimes they're talking to you in

1486
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:22,640
an unofficial capacity and they can get

1487
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:23,599
in trouble

1488
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,640
so we respect that we protect anybody's

1489
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:28,559
identity who wants to be protected if

1490
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:29,359
you want to

1491
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:32,559
provide information uh uh in a

1492
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,640
confidential manner and not expose who

1493
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:36,000
you are then we honor that

1494
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,760
i mean you that's that's kind of like

1495
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:39,599
you in the media right you have a

1496
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,960
confidential source and you don't want

1497
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:43,040
to violate that trust um

1498
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,640
i i will speak for sean i'll tell you

1499
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:46,319
that we we cast a very wide net we

1500
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:47,760
talked to a lot of people

1501
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:50,079
and what most people don't realize is

1502
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,800
for the

1503
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:53,280
10 witnesses you might see on the show

1504
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:54,880
in one episode

1505
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:57,280
we actually conducted 50 interviews uh

1506
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,960
with 50 different people and most of

1507
00:51:01,270 --> 00:51:00,559
them never made to make the cutting room

1508
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:01,280
floor

1509
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,400
it's just because you have too much

1510
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,480
information you can't you can't squeeze

1511
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:06,240
in a 45 minute

1512
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:07,839
show including you know of course

1513
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:10,000
advertisements 10 hours worth of

1514
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,760
interviews and for us i think for me

1515
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,200
certainly that's the most frustrating

1516
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:15,839
because we don't get to decide

1517
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:18,079
from the editorial perspective what

1518
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:19,440
makes and what doesn't i'll tell you

1519
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:20,640
that there's times where there have been

1520
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:22,000
interviews that

1521
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:23,280
sean and i will look to each other and

1522
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:24,800
be like how did that not make it in the

1523
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,559
show that was you know one of the best

1524
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,559
interviews with the most compelling data

1525
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,319
um but you know there's a bit of an art

1526
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,559
form there and ultimately you know the

1527
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:34,319
editors get paid to make those those

1528
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,000
editorial decisions

1529
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,400
based upon content get based upon length

1530
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:40,160
you know based upon a lot of things and

1531
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,960
so

1532
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,960
um you know certainly for me it was a

1533
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,400
learning experience but i'll

1534
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:46,079
i'll let sean take that that question

1535
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:48,800
over at home i have 50 pages of notes

1536
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:51,440
i have gigabytes of video and and

1537
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:53,280
photographic data from those mission we

1538
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:54,240
call missions

1539
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:56,000
we're mission oriented we're ex-military

1540
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:57,760
we're not afraid to talk that way

1541
00:52:01,990 --> 00:52:00,240
so pardon me if i overuse uh some of our

1542
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,000
acronyms and phrases but

1543
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:04,480
uh when i'm on mission uh that

1544
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,839
investigation is mine

1545
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:07,920
i own it it's not lose investigation

1546
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:09,760
it's not anyone else's it's not history

1547
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:10,800
channels

1548
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:13,839
so my investigation you know

1549
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,760
we it's how do i put it um

1550
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:19,599
we're not messing around we're not

1551
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:21,760
making a tv show

1552
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,359
where there's there are cameras that are

1553
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:25,280
with us that are documenting an

1554
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:28,720
ongoing investigation and process of

1555
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,599
trying to bring

1556
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:31,599
new data out from a place that it's

1557
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:32,880
never been

1558
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:36,000
released from and if we can't get that

1559
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:36,880
data

1560
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:39,440
out into the daylight then perhaps we're

1561
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,800
going to be able to

1562
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:42,800
replicate that data and there's a lot of

1563
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:44,720
people out there working on new

1564
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:48,319
um sensor suites and optical systems to

1565
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:49,680
to assist us

1566
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,760
because even if even if we are able to

1567
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:53,359
replicate all that data

1568
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:56,079
this is going on here and now for all of

1569
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:56,400
us

1570
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,880
of people so the any evidence that we

1571
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:02,480
can gather in any form

1572
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:05,839
in any fashion is i'm all for that

1573
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,280
well i guess more of a uh

1574
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,440
i guess a philosophical question to kind

1575
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,440
of wrap things up here guys um

1576
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:15,520
there's a lot of talk about ryan asks

1577
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:16,480
this of um

1578
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:18,559
lou and sean from twitter there's a lot

1579
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:20,079
of talk about technology

1580
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,160
and our progress trajectory playing a

1581
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:24,480
vital role in the phenomenon

1582
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,960
as someone who works with ai in in tech

1583
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:28,800
uh what would you two

1584
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,680
advise thought leaders in silicon valley

1585
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:33,440
be wary of and why

1586
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:37,599
when dealing with this topic charlatans

1587
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,559
bullshitters people who say that they

1588
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:42,720
have an amazing secret that they want to

1589
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:43,839
share with them

1590
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,880
it's going to change the world

1591
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,160
that's the first thing i would have

1592
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,319
people look out for because

1593
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:52,079
i have pardon me again for being

1594
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,920
slightly aggressive but the amount the

1595
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:55,520
screen that i've had to put between

1596
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:56,640
myself

1597
00:54:02,549 --> 00:53:59,839
and people who want to monetize my

1598
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:02,559
knowledge or my experience for their

1599
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:03,200
benefit

1600
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:07,920
humanity or the public gain

1601
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,240
it's really gotten in the way sometimes

1602
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:12,240
of getting the job done

1603
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:15,760
um so i would i would ask

1604
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:19,200
people to maintain evidentiary value at

1605
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:20,240
all costs

1606
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:23,440
maintain openness and and records and

1607
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:25,920
not given to conspiracy theory

1608
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:29,440
urban myth and legend and whispers

1609
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,119
um we're doing this in the open period

1610
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:36,240
we're doing it in daylight this is it's

1611
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,319
not going to get anywhere otherwise

1612
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,880
totally um i get that um well let's talk

1613
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:42,160
about i guess

1614
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:47,119
the the the ufos or the uaps

1615
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:49,839
um in terms of the five observables lou

1616
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:51,359
that you guys came up with and

1617
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:53,200
everything um

1618
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,119
it seems that we never see the same uap

1619
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:59,520
twice like it's very rare we try to put

1620
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:00,720
things in boxes

1621
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:03,280
or patterns but it seems that perception

1622
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:04,640
plays a huge role

1623
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:07,680
in all of this obviously but um

1624
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:09,440
with each sighting the craft seems to be

1625
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:11,200
unique so richard wants to know on

1626
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:12,000
twitter

1627
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,440
um does this imply that the phenomenon

1628
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:17,200
isn't as simple as being

1629
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:20,720
i mean from one place uh or or yeah what

1630
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:22,240
are your guys thoughts on that more on a

1631
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:23,839
philosophical level i guess

1632
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:26,880
why are all uap snowflakes i guess

1633
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,599
sure uh well but at the end of the day a

1634
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,520
snowflake is still a snowflake is it not

1635
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:33,040
it's still bound by the same laws of

1636
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,839
physics and how crystals form so in one

1637
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,920
one case we can say yeah they're

1638
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:39,760
separate distinct and they seem to be

1639
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:40,960
individuals

1640
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:43,040
and then another case there that's why

1641
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:44,400
we have the five observable the five

1642
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,839
observables are nothing new

1643
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:47,280
you can go back to reporting back to the

1644
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,839
1940s and that you can see those

1645
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:51,359
observables they just

1646
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:53,520
never put those observables in a

1647
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:55,359
comprehensive category like we do in

1648
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,480
intelligence

1649
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:58,640
to explain the performance

1650
00:56:01,990 --> 00:55:59,920
characteristics

1651
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:02,000
um that was probably one of the the

1652
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:03,680
greater contributions to a tip at the

1653
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,400
time that

1654
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:06,400
we were able to apply using an

1655
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:07,920
intelligence lens

1656
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,200
um uh apply these commonalities

1657
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,520
okay so yeah you can say that the

1658
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:15,599
physical objects may or may not look the

1659
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:16,000
same

1660
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:19,119
but most of them perform

1661
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:21,440
very similar in those matters we they

1662
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:22,319
all will have

1663
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:25,040
one to several of those display some of

1664
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:25,359
those

1665
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,040
observable characteristics of the five

1666
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:29,280
observables um

1667
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,400
but you know very few things

1668
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:34,400
in life you can take an airplane and

1669
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:35,920
compare that a biplane to an

1670
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:37,760
f-16 they're both airplanes they both

1671
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:39,119
use the same physics

1672
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:40,640
but they look fundamentally entirely

1673
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:42,799
different uh they perform differently

1674
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:44,960
in some cases human beings we're all

1675
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,520
human yet we look different you know

1676
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:49,760
sean's a six foot two good looking guy

1677
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:50,799
and i'm

1678
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:54,400
not you know so uh there are

1679
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:58,079
there are individual characteristics

1680
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,760
that i think you know you can go out on

1681
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:01,839
any highway today and look at a car

1682
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:05,040
you can see a a 4x4 pickup truck sitting

1683
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:06,640
next to a sports car

1684
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,000
and they look fundamentally different

1685
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:10,000
they sound different yet

1686
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:11,839
they still abide by the same physics

1687
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:13,280
they have four wheels and they have

1688
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:14,480
tires and they have

1689
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:16,240
alternators and they have water pumps

1690
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:17,599
and you know so

1691
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:21,280
um i i don't want to hypothesize

1692
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:24,880
too much um there are some theories um i

1693
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:27,680
i don't think they're mature enough yet

1694
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:28,640
to

1695
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:37,599
i think more data is necessary and i'm

1696
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:38,160
careful

1697
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,160
one thing people notice i'm very very

1698
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:42,480
careful to not offer my personal

1699
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,079
thoughts on a lot of things because i

1700
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,640
don't ever want people to misconstrue

1701
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:48,640
a personal opinion with a fact that we

1702
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,960
have collected

1703
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:52,319
i think a lot of people make that

1704
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:55,280
mistake they will overlay their own

1705
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,240
uh personal view on something and what

1706
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,240
is a belief now becomes a fact

1707
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:02,079
and i want to make sure that never make

1708
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,280
that mistake

1709
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:05,680
i've made mistakes before and it's

1710
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:06,640
because we're human

1711
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:09,440
and those mistakes are usually result of

1712
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,240
me

1713
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,960
allowing my analytic bias and overlay to

1714
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:14,160
influence

1715
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:17,599
my my my um

1716
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:21,119
if you will analysis of the data

1717
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:24,799
and i i really really want to avoid that

1718
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,359
i i really try to have a lot of self

1719
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:29,040
discipline in that area because i

1720
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,319
it can be destructive if we're not

1721
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:32,000
careful sean what do you think i try to

1722
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:34,160
tell my friends to figure out what you

1723
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:35,440
want this to be

1724
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,400
spend time sit down use your imagination

1725
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,480
bring your ego and your wants into it

1726
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,480
and figure out exactly how you want this

1727
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:44,559
to look 10 years from now

1728
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:46,160
wrap it up nice and tight and put it up

1729
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:47,680
on the shelf and don't look at it

1730
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:48,720
anymore

1731
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:51,920
because if until we remove our bias from

1732
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:52,640
this

1733
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:54,079
we're not going to know what it is i

1734
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:56,079
often use the metaphor of a coffee cup

1735
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,240
sitting in the middle of a gymnasium

1736
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:00,240
this this is this doesn't have any

1737
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:01,839
graphics or anything on it but there's a

1738
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:03,359
stain on this side

1739
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:05,040
and you could you would have hundreds of

1740
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:06,400
people filling those seats in the

1741
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:08,079
gymnasium and this coffee cup would be

1742
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:09,200
in the center

1743
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:10,400
and there would be a great portion of

1744
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,839
that crowd that would never know there

1745
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:13,200
was a saying on the other side if they

1746
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:15,359
hadn't communicated with the people

1747
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:18,559
uh in other parts of the room

1748
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:20,960
so as you say perspective is everything

1749
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:22,720
with this we don't have enough data yet

1750
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:23,040
if

1751
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:26,400
toyota over there

1752
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:29,200
we can't tell by looking at it if we ask

1753
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:31,040
the motive of the driver

1754
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:34,160
of the semi truck we're not sure um

1755
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:36,079
what his motive is or even his

1756
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:37,760
destination correct

1757
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:40,559
so i think it's best that we that we try

1758
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:42,559
to take our own experience

1759
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:44,880
ratchet it up a couple of notches use

1760
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:46,720
our imagination and speculate for

1761
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,559
ourselves but at the end of the day

1762
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,640
don't identify or get tied up with any

1763
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:52,559
of this because it does seem to be

1764
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,040
a morphic phenomenon that doesn't hold

1765
00:59:58,030 --> 00:59:57,119
still long enough for you to identify it

1766
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:58,040
and it's not

1767
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:01,440
self-identifying as of right now

1768
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,079
that's such a good point man i think um

1769
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:06,240
you know a lot of us got into this field

1770
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:07,200
of study

1771
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:09,760
in research for personal reasons and as

1772
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:11,119
much as we'd like to think

1773
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:13,760
it's an altruistic journey that we want

1774
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:15,040
the truth for

1775
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:17,440
for all of humanity yeah of course um

1776
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:19,040
there are individuals out there who want

1777
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:20,799
that and i think everyone should have

1778
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:23,680
a piece of that out there but we're all

1779
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,319
in it

1780
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:26,640
because we want to know we're given this

1781
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:27,520
one chance

1782
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:30,319
in these bodies or this consciousness or

1783
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:31,359
what have you

1784
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:34,240
to figure [\h__\h] out while we're here so

1785
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,119
why not

1786
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:37,839
you know try to find those answers uh

1787
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:39,599
for you and that might sound selfish but

1788
01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:40,799
at the end of the day like

1789
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:42,559
we are in all we can control is

1790
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:44,559
ourselves in this world

1791
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:46,400
i believe what you want to believe at

1792
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:48,559
the end of the day and if you mature

1793
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:50,720
to not to want too hard you might get

1794
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:52,640
the answers you're looking for

1795
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:55,520
yeah absolutely um all right well

1796
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:57,119
wrapping things up gentlemen

1797
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,079
um lou you said in the past you want

1798
01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:02,160
things to go global with this topic we

1799
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:02,480
do

1800
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:04,799
look at it from a very western

1801
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:05,760
perspective

1802
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:08,319
um especially here in america and all my

1803
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:10,559
international listeners are always

1804
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:11,680
craving that they're like

1805
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:13,599
yo we got stuff going on over here that

1806
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:15,040
would blow your guys minds

1807
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:18,880
other than roswell and um chicago o'hare

1808
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:21,599
so um what can you give us in terms of

1809
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:23,359
that guys what comes next

1810
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:25,920
um what's the next chapter in i guess

1811
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:28,079
each of your individual journeys for

1812
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:31,280
for all of this well i think it's safe

1813
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:32,400
to say that we are

1814
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:35,440
well into a a good smooth shift into

1815
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:36,559
second gear

1816
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:38,000
now a lot of people say what the heck

1817
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:40,079
does that mean well again i'm a car guy

1818
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:42,079
i'm kind of a gear head so it just

1819
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:43,920
simply means in a manual transmission

1820
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:45,760
you're going from first gear

1821
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:48,160
start in neutral not going anywhere to

1822
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:49,839
now going into first gear well now i

1823
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,440
think we're going into second gear and

1824
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:53,280
second gear you know first gear was

1825
01:01:58,710 --> 01:01:56,640
was making this conversation a palatable

1826
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:58,720
from a media perspective from a

1827
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:00,319
governmental perspective

1828
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:04,480
from a a a civilian perspective

1829
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:06,160
right and and now you've got military

1830
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:07,200
eye witnesses coming out of the

1831
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:08,559
woodworks they've all

1832
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:10,000
put their credibility on the line you've

1833
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:11,520
got reporting going to where it needs to

1834
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:13,200
go you have policies being made you have

1835
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:14,640
the establishment of a task force you

1836
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:16,079
have congress being briefed

1837
01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:17,200
government's being briefed the

1838
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:18,880
government is now finally involved like

1839
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:20,160
like the way it should be and by the way

1840
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:20,720
involved

1841
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:24,160
in an open way so so that's huge now

1842
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:27,039
second gear is doing exactly what we

1843
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:27,680
have done

1844
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:29,839
and now taking it to the global stage

1845
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:30,720
going

1846
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:36,640
where other governments are doing the

1847
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:38,720
same we just saw japan come online and

1848
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:40,079
enter into an intelligence and

1849
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:41,440
information sharing agreement with the

1850
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:42,480
us government

1851
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:44,480
on uap technology but there's a lot of

1852
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:45,680
other governments that want to do the

1853
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:47,119
same

1854
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:48,799
you know maybe there is without giving

1855
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:50,160
away too much maybe there's an

1856
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:51,760
international body that

1857
01:02:55,829 --> 01:02:54,240
uh would want to sponsor some sort of uh

1858
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:55,839
international endeavor

1859
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:58,799
right um across the planet and there's

1860
01:03:01,670 --> 01:03:00,240
only a few of those if you

1861
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:01,680
if you you know you know what those

1862
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:03,680
organizations are uh

1863
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:05,760
that can pull it off um because i think

1864
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:07,599
this is a global conversation

1865
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,720
we've always thought we've always

1866
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:10,640
thought that we've always said that

1867
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:13,839
so why not do it why not

1868
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:16,079
bring the conversation globally and have

1869
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:17,839
the world provide their perspectives

1870
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:19,920
because at the end of the day

1871
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:22,400
you know we we may learn a thing or two

1872
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:23,280
talking to our

1873
01:03:26,789 --> 01:03:24,799
our brothers and sisters in south

1874
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:26,799
america and latin america and in europe

1875
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:28,400
and in asia and

1876
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:31,520
in india and yes china and even russia

1877
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:34,799
um you know maybe we can put politics

1878
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:36,240
aside for just

1879
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:38,799
just a few short moments and have a

1880
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:40,160
conversation that really involves

1881
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:41,680
humanity at this point

1882
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:44,640
and and not just individual countries so

1883
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:45,280
um

1884
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:46,799
i'm not going to go much further into

1885
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:48,480
that um

1886
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:51,920
because obviously we do have a very well

1887
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:52,720
thought out

1888
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:54,960
blueprint and plan most people realize

1889
01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:56,960
we don't do things haphazardly at least

1890
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,720
most people realize by that by now for

1891
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:00,000
sure hopefully

1892
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:03,680
um that we we we're very deliberate um

1893
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:07,119
and you know i we mean what we say we're

1894
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:10,480
we're in this to to make a difference

1895
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:14,240
um and to make make uh make a change in

1896
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:15,760
the way we've been looking at this topic

1897
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:16,799
for so long i'm

1898
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:19,200
i'm going to shut up now let tom tom let

1899
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:19,839
uh

1900
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:29,039
week together let me put it that way

1901
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:30,960
we've been able to solidify

1902
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:32,559
some aspects of our relationship that

1903
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:34,240
we've been looking forward to

1904
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:35,839
you're looking at two people that we're

1905
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:37,520
not going to stop it doesn't matter

1906
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:39,119
where the issue takes us it doesn't

1907
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:41,200
matter uh which one of us

1908
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:43,920
runs ahead goes lateral brings on other

1909
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:45,440
team members we're not quitting

1910
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:47,680
we're going to be working together and

1911
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:49,200
if if one of us

1912
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:50,720
can't move forward the other one's going

1913
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:53,359
to pick the ball up and run

1914
01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:54,720
and and we're just we're looking for

1915
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:56,559
more folks that can handle that kind of

1916
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:01,430
that kind of mission i guess that that

1917
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:03,280
are willing to step up and say yeah

1918
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:05,119
we we have something we want to do and

1919
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,720
we're not going to quit till we're done

1920
01:05:09,910 --> 01:05:09,359
period i think you're going to see the

1921
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:09,920
this

1922
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:12,960
sphere of of individuals that we're

1923
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:14,720
involved with continue to expand and

1924
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:16,240
grow there's people that we talk to

1925
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:17,760
behind the scenes that

1926
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:20,480
at some point may become public um you

1927
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:20,880
know

1928
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:23,359
we're we're uh we're not static we're

1929
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:24,799
we're trying to evolve with the battle

1930
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:25,760
space

1931
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:28,720
um you know sean and i work very well

1932
01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:30,160
together we've got a lot of other people

1933
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:31,520
that are behind the scenes that we work

1934
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:32,720
very well with

1935
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:36,240
um you know i i you're having a

1936
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:38,079
conversation with just two of us but

1937
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:40,240
there's a whole lot more people that are

1938
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:41,760
involved and i think

1939
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:43,680
uh probably in the future those some of

1940
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:44,799
those individuals are going to come to

1941
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:45,359
light

1942
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:46,559
you'll you'll see that you know folks

1943
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:48,079
like chris mellon which everybody knows

1944
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:50,160
who is an amazing human being but

1945
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:51,599
there's a lot of other people i feel

1946
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:54,960
like i'm crowd surfing with geniuses

1947
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:58,319
excluding me i'm not one of those guys

1948
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,839
everyone plays their part though and you

1949
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:01,599
know like i think

1950
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:03,839
it's awesome that like when you look at

1951
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:06,000
the ufo community you know which is a

1952
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:07,119
subculture

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01:06:12,549 --> 01:06:10,160
uh like any other one um

1954
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:12,559
there are some bright minds there we're

1955
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:13,760
not talking like

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01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:16,960
tin foil hat wearing people who

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01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:18,799
said they've met a million races of

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01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:20,640
aliens like we're talking some of the

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01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:22,240
brightest individuals

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01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:25,760
um scientists technologists uh military

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01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:28,640
intelligence uh coming together so i

1962
01:06:31,990 --> 01:06:30,480
know there's a lot going on behind the

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01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:32,000
scenes with both of you

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01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:35,280
with this uh endeavor with this sort of

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01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:37,839
journey so um i guess to kind of wrap it

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01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:38,400
up

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01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:40,559
is there anywhere that uh viewers and

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01:06:42,789 --> 01:06:42,240
listeners can go to reach out to you

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01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:42,799
guys

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01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:44,240
if they feel like they could help in

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01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:47,440
this uh this pursuit

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01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:50,000
well luis and i are both on twitter um i

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01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:52,160
believe lou is at lou elizondo

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01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:54,559
is that correct yep and uh i'm at minty

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01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:55,599
hyperspace

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01:06:59,910 --> 01:06:57,520
uh i also have a website that archives

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01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:59,920
my previous uh

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01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:01,359
interviews and such for people that are

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01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,720
that are wondering about the background

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01:07:07,109 --> 01:07:04,400
because i don't often rehash things and

1981
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:07,119
that's the same mintyhyperspace.com

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01:07:10,870 --> 01:07:09,680
um but i'm i'm always willing to uh to

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01:07:12,789 --> 01:07:10,880
interact and i know lou

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01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:12,799
though he's a lot more busy than i am he

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01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:14,640
interacts as much as he can

1986
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:16,720
and by the way we do read each post i

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01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:18,079
know people

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01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:19,440
will ask themselves well they're never

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01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:21,280
going to read this actually we do

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01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:23,280
um a lot of times we're just we don't

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01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:24,720
have

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01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:27,520
the time necessary to provide a comment

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and i'm not

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01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:29,599
one that's just going to put a hazard

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01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:31,760
comment you know if someone asks me a

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01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:33,520
sincere question i want to be able to

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01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:34,640
explain it

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01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:37,039
and sometimes i get long-winded um just

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01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:38,480
because i want to be thorough i want to

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01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:39,760
be comprehensive i don't want to give

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01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:41,680
somebody just a yes or no answer

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01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:43,119
because i think if they took the time to

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01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:45,119
ask a question you know they deserve the

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01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:48,000
time to get a thoughtful answer and so

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01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:49,440
uh you know that's my greatest

2006
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:51,200
frustration with social media is that i

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01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:52,000
can't

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01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:54,319
i don't have the time necessary to

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01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:56,160
address each and individual

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01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:58,400
everybody's questions but for anybody

2011
01:08:01,589 --> 01:08:00,000
who knows me i read them all

2012
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:01,599
and and i think they're all very

2013
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:03,520
valuable and what i try to do is over

2014
01:08:07,029 --> 01:08:04,559
the weeks and months

2015
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:07,039
following that i try to answer a lot of

2016
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:08,640
those people's questions

2017
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:10,960
uh you know in a podcast like this where

2018
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:11,920
if somebody five

2019
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:13,760
six people have the same question then

2020
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:15,119
i'll try to work it into

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01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:18,239
into a narrative during a podcast so

2022
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:20,000
i can answer their question i may not be

2023
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:21,520
able to yeah do it on social media on

2024
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:22,880
twitter and type it out but

2025
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:24,880
but at least i've addressed it you know

2026
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:27,199
in like an interview like this

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01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:30,000
right and i think we we we certainly

2028
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:31,359
appreciate that that you guys are

2029
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:32,000
willing

2030
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:34,080
to be so open and transparent with us

2031
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:35,359
because um you know

2032
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:38,239
i think when when to the stars first

2033
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:40,480
came around and we learned about atip

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01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:40,960
and

2035
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:44,799
community felt a little like we were

2036
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:46,000
getting left behind

2037
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:47,759
like we weren't going to be a part of

2038
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:49,600
the discussion but you've made it very

2039
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:50,480
clear

2040
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:53,279
that this is a process and you did what

2041
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:55,279
you had to do when you had to do it

2042
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:57,199
and now you're going on all these shows

2043
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:58,719
and talking to us so

2044
01:09:02,149 --> 01:09:00,960
i i certainly appreciate that i know a

2045
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:02,159
lot of my listeners do

2046
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:04,799
we covered maybe 12 questions of 300

2047
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:05,520
something

2048
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:07,359
so i'd love to get you guys back on at

2049
01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:08,640
some point but

2050
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:10,880
um yeah we really only scratch the

2051
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:12,799
surface but i want to thank you both

2052
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:15,199
for your time i know you're running on

2053
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:16,560
fumes at this point

2054
01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:19,440
so please go do what you got to do but

2055
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:20,000
um

2056
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:22,880
just know that i personally i'm in your

2057
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:23,440
corner

2058
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:25,600
i'm ready to fight um for what you guys

2059
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:27,359
are doing i know there's a lot of people

2060
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:28,640
out there that think lou

2061
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:30,400
you know uh you're just here to

2062
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:32,159
disinform you're working with

2063
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:35,440
uh with the intelligence to uh to do

2064
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:37,440
this and that but man i've never i've

2065
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:39,920
never seen that from you i got a gut

2066
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:41,440
feeling your intentions

2067
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:43,199
are there and i can just hear it i can

2068
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:44,480
hear it in the passion

2069
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:47,040
that you probably dude if if i would be

2070
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,040
the most hated man on the planet if

2071
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:51,279
if i were doing this and it turns out i

2072
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:52,560
was some sort of

2073
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:55,040
some sort of psyop or disinformation

2074
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:56,159
operation

2075
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:58,000
i would be the most hated person on the

2076
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:59,520
planet um

2077
01:10:03,189 --> 01:10:00,960
you know i think my military record

2078
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:03,199
speaks for itself i've i've never done

2079
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:04,960
anything to deceive the american public

2080
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:07,440
um we deceived the enemy a lot you know

2081
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:08,480
that was our job

2082
01:10:11,669 --> 01:10:10,080
but we never did that the american

2083
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:11,679
public and it's a commitment it's you

2084
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:12,400
don't

2085
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:15,679
to to to

2086
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:18,080
to the american taxpayer that's that's

2087
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:19,360
we we protect

2088
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:21,600
the american taxpayer we don't hurt them

2089
01:10:25,189 --> 01:10:23,120
um but you know

2090
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:25,199
hopefully again through action not words

2091
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:26,719
people will begin to realize

2092
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:29,760
you know i'm not a threat what i'm a

2093
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:31,199
threat to a status quo

2094
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:32,719
that i will tell you i'm very much a

2095
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:34,719
threat to uh and that's caused some

2096
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:36,000
problems for me in the past

2097
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:37,679
uh especially with with the us

2098
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:39,920
government um

2099
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:44,239
but um no i i i don't think i don't

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01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:45,040
think

2101
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:46,719
the community has anything to worry

2102
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:48,960
about me uh but then again you know

2103
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:51,120
they got to decide for themselves i'll

2104
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:52,960
i'll address the elephant in the room

2105
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:54,800
the day i met lou as soon as we got our

2106
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:56,719
microphone packs off the first thing i

2107
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:58,640
said to him was tell me we're the good

2108
01:11:02,390 --> 01:10:59,199
guys

2109
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,400
was very serious

2110
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:04,320
about finding out that this was not

2111
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:05,760
someone else coming out of government

2112
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:07,280
with a couple of details that they were

2113
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:09,040
going to try to try to pad their purse

2114
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:09,760
with

2115
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:12,800
and i put lou through hell proving that

2116
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:13,280
to me

2117
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:16,480
i i that's that's my perspective but he

2118
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:19,040
he at no point did his integrity ever

2119
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:20,000
waver

2120
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:23,199
so i'm fully committed to this effort

2121
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:25,280
for me it starts with with my friendship

2122
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:27,760
with him but that's a stepping off point

2123
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:29,600
for me to commit myself to something for

2124
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:32,320
the remainder of my life frankly

2125
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:34,239
well i have to thank both of you guys

2126
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:36,239
for taking the risks you have

2127
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:38,960
to get us to this point because it is i

2128
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:40,719
honestly believe this is

2129
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:43,199
a turning point for this topic this

2130
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:43,760
issue

2131
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:46,320
everyone can feel it and it has a lot to

2132
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:48,080
do with what you guys

2133
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:50,800
have done so from the bottom of my heart

2134
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:51,840
for someone who's been

2135
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:54,159
doing this since i was 13 years old

2136
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:55,600
thank you thank you for what you're

2137
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:56,960
doing what you will

2138
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:58,480
thank you for what you're doing it's

2139
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:00,239
again a team effort we can't do what we

2140
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:01,920
do if you're not doing what you do

2141
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:03,280
and you can't do what you do if your

2142
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:05,199
audience doesn't do what they do so

2143
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:06,800
again this is really a team effort and

2144
01:12:26,700 --> 01:12:08,400
thank you for everything and thank you

2145
01:12:51,020 --> 01:12:47,530
[Music]

2146
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do